diff --git a/Include/Aurora/IO/Loop/Loop.hpp b/Include/Aurora/IO/Loop/Loop.hpp
index 244e0a1e..89ba7232 100644
--- a/Include/Aurora/IO/Loop/Loop.hpp
+++ b/Include/Aurora/IO/Loop/Loop.hpp
@@ -65,9 +65,12 @@ namespace Aurora::IO::Loop
     {
         /* Warning: IO timers use wall time (CurrentClock[M/NS), not SteadyClock[M/N]S()).
                     Use auasync timers for steady-clock timing and tick timing information. */
+        // Update: not anymore
 
-        virtual void UpdateTime(AuUInt64 absTimeMs) = 0;
-        virtual void UpdateTimeNs(AuUInt64 absTimeNs) = 0;
+        virtual void UpdateTimeWall(AuUInt64 absTimeMs) = 0;
+        virtual void UpdateTimeWallNs(AuUInt64 absTimeNs) = 0;
+        virtual void UpdateTimeSteady(AuUInt64 absTimeMs) = 0;
+        virtual void UpdateTimeSteadyNs(AuUInt64 absTimeNs) = 0;
         virtual void UpdateTickRateIfAny(AuUInt32 reschedStepMsOrZero = 0, AuUInt32 maxIterationsOrZero = 0) = 0;
         virtual void UpdateTickRateIfAnyNs(AuUInt64 reschedStepNsOrZero = 0, AuUInt32 maxIterationsOrZero = 0) = 0;
         virtual void Stop() = 0;
@@ -78,7 +81,8 @@ namespace Aurora::IO::Loop
         virtual void *GetLastSignalInfo() = 0;
     };
 
-    AUKN_SYM AuSPtr<ITimer>         NewLSTimer(AuUInt64 absStartTimeMs /*CurrentClockMS()*/, AuUInt32 reschedStepMsOrZero = 0, AuUInt32 maxIterationsOrZero = 0, bool bSingleshot = false /*cannot be changed*/);  // warn: no IPC counterpart
+    AUKN_SYM AuSPtr<ITimer>         NewLSTimer(AuUInt64 qwAbsStartTimeMs, AuUInt32 dwReschedStepMsOrZero = 0, AuUInt32 dwMaxIterationsOrZero = 0, bool bSingleshot = false /*cannot be changed*/, bool bIsStartTimeSteady = false);  // warn: no IPC counterpart
+    AUKN_SYM AuSPtr<ITimer>         NewLSTimerHighResolution(AuUInt64 qwAbsStartTimeMs, AuUInt32 dwReschedStepMsOrZero = 0, AuUInt32 dwMaxIterationsOrZero = 0, bool bSingleshot = false /*cannot be changed*/, bool bIsStartTimeSteady = false);  // warn: no IPC counterpart
     AUKN_SYM AuSPtr<ILSMutex>       NewLSMutex();
     AUKN_SYM AuSPtr<ILSMutex>       NewLSMutexSlow();  // interop-ready (usable with DbgLoopSourceToReadFd)
     AUKN_SYM AuSPtr<ILSEvent>       NewLSEvent(bool bTriggered = false, bool bAtomicRelease = true, bool bPermitMultipleTriggers = false);
diff --git a/Include/Aurora/RuntimeConfig.hpp b/Include/Aurora/RuntimeConfig.hpp
index e2c3c341..1d59b177 100644
--- a/Include/Aurora/RuntimeConfig.hpp
+++ b/Include/Aurora/RuntimeConfig.hpp
@@ -260,8 +260,25 @@ namespace Aurora
 
     struct IOConfig
     {
-        AuUInt32 uProtocolStackDefaultBufferSize { 64 * 1024 };
-        bool     bIsVeryLargeIOApplication       { false };
+        AuUInt32 uProtocolStackDefaultBufferSize      { 64 * 1024 };
+        bool     bIsVeryLargeIOApplication            { false };
+
+    // On Win32, NewLSTimer has very bad resolution.
+    // On linux, timerfd is good enough.
+    // On other POSIX platforms, its best to keep timers emulated in process.
+    // By default, you have to opt into a higher res in-process, if required by the platform.
+    // This does not bypass IO yielding or timeouts; we simply use our own semaphore and scheduler instead of the kernels.
+    // It only takes 8k ns to 60k ns depending on the platform to wake a thread, and we can hit AuAsync scheduler without too much error, we can just do this instead of relying on historically shitty IO primitives.
+    // Assiging this to true, on any platform, will bypass the kernels timer ticker.
+        bool     bForceAltOSTimerPrimitives           { false };
+
+    // High resolution timers will be emulated in process, if this is assigned false, and we're on a platform with good IO timers
+    // For niche POSIX targets and Windows, this value will not be respected.
+    // For Linux, this value can be used to experience/test/benchmark Win32-like in-process scheduling.
+        bool     bTrustOSTimerPrimitiveIfKnownGood    { true };
+
+    // 
+        bool     bUseHighResTimerUnderIOWaitableTimer { false };
     };
 
     struct Win32Config
diff --git a/Source/Async/AuSchedular.cpp b/Source/Async/AuSchedular.cpp
index 8a056cc8..9c1fd521 100644
--- a/Source/Async/AuSchedular.cpp
+++ b/Source/Async/AuSchedular.cpp
@@ -182,7 +182,15 @@ namespace Aurora::Async
             {
                 try
                 {
-                    AuStaticCast<AuAsync::ThreadPool>(entry.pool)->Run(entry.target, entry.runnable, false);
+                    if (entry.pool)
+                    {
+                        AuStaticCast<AuAsync::ThreadPool>(entry.pool)->Run(entry.target, entry.runnable, false);
+                    }
+                    else
+                    {
+                        // IO timer hack!
+                        entry.runnable->RunAsync();
+                    }
                 }
                 catch (...)
                 {
@@ -280,7 +288,10 @@ namespace Aurora::Async
     {
         AU_LOCK_GUARD(gSchedLock);
         AU_DEBUG_MEMCRUNCH;
-        AuAtomicAdd(&pool->uAtomicCounter, 1u);
+        if (pool)
+        {
+            AuAtomicAdd(&pool->uAtomicCounter, 1u);
+        }
         SchedNextTime(ns);
         return AuTryInsert(gOrderedEntries,
                            AuConstReference(ns),
diff --git a/Source/Async/AuSchedular.hpp b/Source/Async/AuSchedular.hpp
index c1f4f78c..c4e49287 100644
--- a/Source/Async/AuSchedular.hpp
+++ b/Source/Async/AuSchedular.hpp
@@ -14,6 +14,7 @@ namespace Aurora::Async
     void InitSched();
     void DeinitSched();
     void StartSched();
+    void StartSched2();
 
     bool Schedule(AuUInt64 ns, IThreadPoolInternal *pool, WorkerId_t target, AuSPtr<IAsyncRunnable> runnable);
     void TerminateSceduledTasks(IThreadPoolInternal *pool, WorkerId_t target);
diff --git a/Source/IO/AuIOWaitableIOTimer.cpp b/Source/IO/AuIOWaitableIOTimer.cpp
index 894be31e..ca82d1b5 100644
--- a/Source/IO/AuIOWaitableIOTimer.cpp
+++ b/Source/IO/AuIOWaitableIOTimer.cpp
@@ -76,7 +76,7 @@ namespace Aurora::IO
     AuUInt64 IOWaitableIOTimer::SetTargetTimeAbs(AuUInt64 ns)
     {
         auto old = AuExchange(this->targetTimeAbsNs, ns);
-        this->source->UpdateTimeNs(ns);
+        this->source->UpdateTimeSteadyNs(ns);
         return old;
     }
 
@@ -89,7 +89,14 @@ namespace Aurora::IO
             return {};
         }
 
-        timer->source = AuLoop::NewLSTimer(0);
+        if (gRuntimeConfig.ioConfig.bUseHighResTimerUnderIOWaitableTimer)
+        {
+            timer->source = AuLoop::NewLSTimerHighResolution(0);
+        }
+        else
+        {
+            timer->source = AuLoop::NewLSTimer(0);
+        }
 
         if (!timer->IsValid())
         {
diff --git a/Source/IO/Loop/LSTimer.Linux.cpp b/Source/IO/Loop/LSTimer.Linux.cpp
index c1a3eb10..af3247ca 100644
--- a/Source/IO/Loop/LSTimer.Linux.cpp
+++ b/Source/IO/Loop/LSTimer.Linux.cpp
@@ -31,34 +31,47 @@ namespace Aurora::IO::Loop
         }
     }
 
-    void LSTimer::UpdateTime(AuUInt64 absTimeMs)
-    {
-        this->targetTime_ = AuMSToNS<AuUInt64>(absTimeMs);
-        UpdateTimeInternal(this->targetTime_);
-    }
-
-    void LSTimer::UpdateTimeNs(AuUInt64 absTimeNs)
-    {
-        this->targetTime_ = absTimeNs;
-        UpdateTimeInternal(this->targetTime_);
-    }
-
     void LSTimer::UpdateTimeInternal(AuUInt64 absTimeNs)
     {
-        this->targetTime_ = absTimeNs;
+        this->targetTime_ = absTimeNs - AuTime::CurrentClockNS() + AuTime::SteadyClockNS();
+        UpdateTimeInternalSteady(this->targetTime_);
+    }
 
+    void LSTimer::UpdateTimeInternalSteady(AuUInt64 absTimeNs)
+    {
+        this->targetTime_ = absTimeNs;
         itimerspec spec {};
-        AuTime::auabsns2ts(&spec.it_value, this->targetTime_);
+        AuTime::ns2ts(&spec.it_value, this->targetTime_);
         AuTime::ns2ts(&spec.it_interval, this->reschedStepNsOrZero_);
         SysAssert(::timerfd_settime(this->handle, TFD_TIMER_ABSTIME, &spec, nullptr) == 0);
     }
 
+    void LSTimer::UpdateTimeWall(AuUInt64 absTimeMs)
+    {
+        this->UpdateTimeInternal(AuMSToNS<AuUInt64>(absTimeMs));
+    }
+
+    void LSTimer::UpdateTimeWallNs(AuUInt64 absTimeNs)
+    {
+        this->UpdateTimeInternal(absTimeNs);
+    }
+
+    void LSTimer::UpdateTimeSteady(AuUInt64 absTimeMs)
+    {
+        this->UpdateTimeInternalSteady(AuMSToNS<AuUInt64>(absTimeMs));
+    }
+
+    void LSTimer::UpdateTimeSteadyNs(AuUInt64 absTimeNs)
+    {
+        this->UpdateTimeInternalSteady(absTimeNs);
+    }
+
     void LSTimer::UpdateTickRateIfAny(AuUInt32 reschedStepMsOrZero, AuUInt32 maxIterationsOrZero)
     {
         this->reschedStepNsOrZero_ = AuMSToNS<AuUInt64>(reschedStepMsOrZero);
         this->maxIterationsOrZero_ = maxIterationsOrZero;
         this->count_ = 0;
-        this->UpdateTimeInternal(this->targetTime_);
+        this->UpdateTimeInternalSteady(this->targetTime_);
     }
 
     void LSTimer::UpdateTickRateIfAnyNs(AuUInt64 reschedStepNsOrZero, AuUInt32 maxIterationsOrZero)
@@ -66,7 +79,7 @@ namespace Aurora::IO::Loop
         this->reschedStepNsOrZero_ = reschedStepNsOrZero;
         this->maxIterationsOrZero_ = maxIterationsOrZero;
         this->count_ = 0;
-        this->UpdateTimeInternal(this->targetTime_);
+        this->UpdateTimeInternalSteady(this->targetTime_);
     }
     
     bool LSTimer::OnTrigger(AuUInt handle)
@@ -121,15 +134,15 @@ namespace Aurora::IO::Loop
         if (ok && !this->reschedStepNsOrZero_ && !bSingleshot)
         {
             // Ensure non-step timers remain signaled despite the read above us caneling them
-            this->UpdateTimeInternal(this->targetTime_);
+            this->UpdateTimeInternalSteady(this->targetTime_);
         }
 
         return ok;
     }
 
-    AUKN_SYM AuSPtr<ITimer> NewLSTimer(AuUInt64 qwAbsStartTimeMs, AuUInt32 dwReschedStepMsOrZero, AuUInt32 dwMaxIterationsOrZero, bool bSingleshot)
+    AuSPtr<ITimer> NewLSTimerOS(AuUInt64 qwAbsStartTimeMs, AuUInt32 dwReschedStepMsOrZero, AuUInt32 dwMaxIterationsOrZero, bool bSingleshot, bool bIsStartTimeSteady)
     {
-        int fd = timerfd_create(CLOCK_REALTIME, TFD_NONBLOCK | TFD_CLOEXEC);
+        int fd = timerfd_create(CLOCK_MONOTONIC, TFD_NONBLOCK | TFD_CLOEXEC);
         if (fd == -1)
         {
             SysPushErrorIO();
@@ -146,7 +159,14 @@ namespace Aurora::IO::Loop
 
         if (qwAbsStartTimeMs)
         {
-            pTimer->UpdateTime(qwAbsStartTimeMs);
+            if (bIsStartTimeSteady)
+            {
+                pTimer->UpdateTimeSteady(qwAbsStartTimeMs);
+            }
+            else
+            {
+                pTimer->UpdateTimeWall(qwAbsStartTimeMs);
+            }
         }
 
         return pTimer;
diff --git a/Source/IO/Loop/LSTimer.Linux.hpp b/Source/IO/Loop/LSTimer.Linux.hpp
index 70fe5625..9ec70f6e 100644
--- a/Source/IO/Loop/LSTimer.Linux.hpp
+++ b/Source/IO/Loop/LSTimer.Linux.hpp
@@ -17,8 +17,10 @@ namespace Aurora::IO::Loop
 
         PROXY_LOOP_LOOPSOURCE_EXT_WAIT_APIS_;
 
-        virtual void UpdateTime(AuUInt64 absTimeMs) override;
-        virtual void UpdateTimeNs(AuUInt64 absTimeNs) override;
+        virtual void UpdateTimeWall(AuUInt64 absTimeMs) override;
+        virtual void UpdateTimeWallNs(AuUInt64 absTimeNs) override;
+        virtual void UpdateTimeSteady(AuUInt64 absTimeMs) override;
+        virtual void UpdateTimeSteadyNs(AuUInt64 absTimeNs) override;
         virtual void UpdateTickRateIfAny(AuUInt32 reschedStepMsOrZero, AuUInt32 maxIterationsOrZero) override;
         virtual void UpdateTickRateIfAnyNs(AuUInt64 reschedStepNsOrZero, AuUInt32 maxIterationsOrZero) override;
         virtual void Stop() override;
@@ -31,6 +33,7 @@ namespace Aurora::IO::Loop
         virtual ELoopSource GetType() override;
 
         void UpdateTimeInternal(AuUInt64 absTimeMs);
+        void UpdateTimeInternalSteady(AuUInt64 absTimeMs);
 
     private:
         AuUInt32 maxIterationsOrZero_ {};
diff --git a/Source/IO/Loop/LSTimer.NT.cpp b/Source/IO/Loop/LSTimer.NT.cpp
index 6e7c5a6a..9e54ea1a 100644
--- a/Source/IO/Loop/LSTimer.NT.cpp
+++ b/Source/IO/Loop/LSTimer.NT.cpp
@@ -27,16 +27,26 @@ namespace Aurora::IO::Loop
         this->handle = kInvalidHandle;
     }
 
-    void LSTimer::UpdateTime(AuUInt64 absTimeMs)
+    void LSTimer::UpdateTimeWall(AuUInt64 absTimeMs)
     {
         UpdateTimeInternalNTWall(AuTime::ConvertTimestamp(absTimeMs));
     }
 
-    void LSTimer::UpdateTimeNs(AuUInt64 absTimeNs)
+    void LSTimer::UpdateTimeWallNs(AuUInt64 absTimeNs)
     {
         UpdateTimeInternalNTWall(AuTime::ConvertTimestampNs(absTimeNs));
     }
 
+    void LSTimer::UpdateTimeSteady(AuUInt64 absTimeMs)
+    {
+        UpdateTimeSteadyNs(AuMSToNS<AuUInt64>(absTimeMs));
+    }
+
+    void LSTimer::UpdateTimeSteadyNs(AuUInt64 absTimeNs)
+    {
+        UpdateTimeWallNs(absTimeNs - AuTime::SteadyClockNS() + AuTime::CurrentClockNS());
+    }
+
     void LSTimer::UpdateTimeInternalNTWall(AuUInt64 absTimeNs)
     {
         LARGE_INTEGER i;
@@ -120,7 +130,7 @@ namespace Aurora::IO::Loop
         return ELoopSource::eSourceTimer;
     }
 
-    AUKN_SYM AuSPtr<ITimer> NewLSTimer(AuUInt64 absStartTimeMs, AuUInt32 reschedStepMsOrZero, AuUInt32 maxIterationsOrZero, bool bSingleshot)
+    AuSPtr<ITimer> NewLSTimerOS(AuUInt64 absStartTimeMs, AuUInt32 reschedStepMsOrZero, AuUInt32 maxIterationsOrZero, bool bSingleshot, bool bIsStartTimeSteady)
     {
         // https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/threadpoolapiset/nf-threadpoolapiset-setthreadpoolwait
         // TODO: Is that any better with an event?
@@ -142,7 +152,14 @@ namespace Aurora::IO::Loop
 
         if (absStartTimeMs)
         {
-            object->UpdateTime(absStartTimeMs);
+            if (bIsStartTimeSteady)
+            {
+                object->UpdateTimeSteady(absStartTimeMs);
+            }
+            else
+            {
+                object->UpdateTimeWall(absStartTimeMs);
+            }
         }
 
         return object;
diff --git a/Source/IO/Loop/LSTimer.NT.hpp b/Source/IO/Loop/LSTimer.NT.hpp
index dada1669..9229b30e 100644
--- a/Source/IO/Loop/LSTimer.NT.hpp
+++ b/Source/IO/Loop/LSTimer.NT.hpp
@@ -17,9 +17,10 @@ namespace Aurora::IO::Loop
 
         PROXY_LOOP_LOOPSOURCE_EXT_APIS_;
         
-        virtual void UpdateTime(AuUInt64 absTimeMs) override;
-        virtual void UpdateTimeNs(AuUInt64 absTimeNs) override;
-        virtual void UpdateTickRateIfAny(AuUInt32 reschedStepMsOrZero, AuUInt32 maxIterationsOrZero) override;
+        virtual void UpdateTimeWall(AuUInt64 absTimeMs) override;
+        virtual void UpdateTimeWallNs(AuUInt64 absTimeNs) override;
+        virtual void UpdateTimeSteady(AuUInt64 absTimeMs) override;
+        virtual void UpdateTimeSteadyNs(AuUInt64 absTimeNs) override;        virtual void UpdateTickRateIfAny(AuUInt32 reschedStepMsOrZero, AuUInt32 maxIterationsOrZero) override;
         virtual void UpdateTickRateIfAnyNs(AuUInt64 reschedStepNsOrZero, AuUInt32 maxIterationsOrZero) override;
         virtual void Stop() override;
 
diff --git a/Source/IO/Loop/LSTimer.cpp b/Source/IO/Loop/LSTimer.cpp
new file mode 100755
index 00000000..887295fc
--- /dev/null
+++ b/Source/IO/Loop/LSTimer.cpp
@@ -0,0 +1,52 @@
+/***
+    Copyright (C) 2021-2024 Jamie Reece Wilson (a/k/a "Reece"). All rights reserved.
+
+    File: LSTimer.cpp
+    Date: 2021-10-1 - 2024-09-08
+    Author: Reece
+***/
+#include <Source/RuntimeInternal.hpp>
+
+namespace Aurora::IO::Loop
+{
+    AuSPtr<ITimer> NewLSTimerOS(AuUInt64 qwAbsStartTimeMs, AuUInt32 dwReschedStepMsOrZero, AuUInt32 dwMaxIterationsOrZero, bool bSingleshot, bool bIsStartTimeSteady);
+    AuSPtr<ITimer> NewLSTimerIP(AuUInt64 qwAbsStartTimeMs, AuUInt32 dwReschedStepMsOrZero, AuUInt32 dwMaxIterationsOrZero, bool bSingleshot, bool bIsStartTimeSteady);
+
+    static bool MustUseAltTimer()
+    {
+        return gRuntimeConfig.ioConfig.bForceAltOSTimerPrimitives;
+    }
+
+    static bool IsHPInProcess()
+    {
+    #if defined(AURORA_IS_MODERNNT_DERIVED)
+        return true;
+    #else
+        return !gRuntimeConfig.ioConfig.bTrustOSTimerPrimitiveIfKnownGood;
+    #endif
+    }
+
+    AUKN_SYM AuSPtr<ITimer> NewLSTimerHighResolution(AuUInt64 qwAbsStartTimeMs, AuUInt32 dwReschedStepMsOrZero, AuUInt32 dwMaxIterationsOrZero, bool bSingleshot, bool bIsStartTimeSteady)
+    {
+        if (IsHPInProcess())
+        {
+            return NewLSTimerIP(qwAbsStartTimeMs, dwReschedStepMsOrZero, dwMaxIterationsOrZero, bSingleshot, bIsStartTimeSteady);
+        }
+        else
+        {
+            return NewLSTimerOS(qwAbsStartTimeMs, dwReschedStepMsOrZero, dwMaxIterationsOrZero, bSingleshot, bIsStartTimeSteady);
+        }
+    }
+
+    AUKN_SYM AuSPtr<ITimer> NewLSTimer(AuUInt64 qwAbsStartTimeMs, AuUInt32 dwReschedStepMsOrZero, AuUInt32 dwMaxIterationsOrZero, bool bSingleshot, bool bIsStartTimeSteady)
+    {
+        if (MustUseAltTimer())
+        {
+            return NewLSTimerIP(qwAbsStartTimeMs, dwReschedStepMsOrZero, dwMaxIterationsOrZero, bSingleshot, bIsStartTimeSteady);
+        }
+        else
+        {
+            return NewLSTimerOS(qwAbsStartTimeMs, dwReschedStepMsOrZero, dwMaxIterationsOrZero, bSingleshot, bIsStartTimeSteady);
+        }
+    }
+}
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/Source/IO/Loop/LSTimerNoKernelScheduler.cpp b/Source/IO/Loop/LSTimerNoKernelScheduler.cpp
new file mode 100755
index 00000000..1350b6e1
--- /dev/null
+++ b/Source/IO/Loop/LSTimerNoKernelScheduler.cpp
@@ -0,0 +1,290 @@
+/***
+    Copyright (C) 2021-2024 Jamie Reece Wilson (a/k/a "Reece"). All rights reserved.
+
+    File: LSTimerNoKernelScheduler.cpp
+    Date: 2024-09-08
+    Author: Reece
+***/
+#include <Source/RuntimeInternal.hpp>
+#include <Source/Async/IAsyncRunnable.hpp>
+#include <Source/Async/AuSchedular.hpp>
+#include "LSTimerNoKernelScheduler.hpp"
+#include <Source/Threading/Primitives/SMTYield.hpp>
+
+namespace Aurora::IO::Loop
+{
+    void LSTimerIPDispatcher::RunAsync()
+    {
+        AU_LOCK_GUARD(this->mutex);
+        if (this->pParent)
+        {
+            AU_LOCK_GUARD(this->pParent->cs);
+            this->pParent->Set();
+            this->pParent = nullptr;
+        }
+    }
+
+    LSTimerIP::LSTimerIP(AuUInt32 reschedStepMsOrZero, AuUInt32 maxIterationsOrZero, bool bSingleshot) :
+        bSingleshot(bSingleshot),
+        reschedStepNsOrZero_(AuMSToNS<AuUInt64>(reschedStepMsOrZero)),
+        maxIterationsOrZero_(maxIterationsOrZero)
+    {
+        this->targetTime_ = AuTime::CurrentClockNS();
+    }
+
+    LSTimerIP::~LSTimerIP()
+    {
+        if (this->pDispatcher)
+        {
+            AU_LOCK_GUARD(this->pDispatcher->mutex);
+            this->pDispatcher->pParent = nullptr;
+        }
+    }
+
+    void LSTimerIP::UpdateTimeWall(AuUInt64 absTimeMs)
+    {
+        this->UpdateTimeWallNs(AuMSToNS<AuUInt64>(absTimeMs));
+    }
+
+    void LSTimerIP::UpdateTimeWallNs(AuUInt64 absTimeNs)
+    {
+        this->UpdateTimeSteadyNs(absTimeNs - AuTime::CurrentClockNS() + AuTime::SteadyClockNS());
+    }
+
+    void LSTimerIP::UpdateTimeSteady(AuUInt64 absTimeMs)
+    {
+        this->UpdateTimeSteadyNs(AuMSToNS<AuUInt64>(absTimeMs));
+    }
+
+    void LSTimerIP::UpdateTickRateIfAny(AuUInt32 reschedStepMsOrZero, AuUInt32 maxIterationsOrZero)
+    {
+        this->UpdateTickRateIfAnyNs(AuMSToNS<AuUInt64>(reschedStepMsOrZero), maxIterationsOrZero);
+    }
+
+    void LSTimerIP::UpdateTickRateIfAnyNs(AuUInt64 reschedStepNsOrZero, AuUInt32 maxIterationsOrZero)
+    {
+        AU_LOCK_GUARD(this->cs);
+
+        this->Stop();
+
+        this->reschedStepNsOrZero_ = reschedStepNsOrZero;
+        this->maxIterationsOrZero_ = maxIterationsOrZero;
+        this->count_ = 0;
+
+        if (this->targetTime_)
+        {
+            this->UpdateTimeSteadyNs(this->targetTime_);
+        }
+    }
+
+    void LSTimerIP::UpdateTimeSteadyNs(AuUInt64 absTimeNs)
+    {
+        AU_DEBUG_MEMCRUNCH;
+        AU_LOCK_GUARD(this->cs);
+        
+        AuSPtr<LSTimerIPDispatcher> pNext;
+
+        {
+            AU_LOCK_GUARD(this->dispatcherMutex);
+
+            if (this->pDispatcher)
+            {
+                AU_LOCK_GUARD(this->pDispatcher->mutex);
+
+                if (this->pDispatcher->pParent)
+                {
+                    // abort
+                    this->pDispatcher->pParent = nullptr;
+                    pNext = this->pDispatcher = AuMakeShared<LSTimerIPDispatcher>();
+                }
+                else
+                {
+                    pNext = this->pDispatcher;
+                }
+            }
+            else
+            {
+                pNext = this->pDispatcher = AuMakeShared<LSTimerIPDispatcher>();
+            }
+        }
+   
+        SysAssert(pNext, "impossible OOM during timer op");
+
+        pNext->pParent = this;
+        AuAsync::Schedule(absTimeNs, nullptr, {}, pNext);
+        this->targetTime_ = absTimeNs;
+    }
+
+    void LSTimerIP::Stop()
+    {
+        AU_LOCK_GUARD(this->cs);
+
+        AU_LOCK_GUARD(this->dispatcherMutex);
+        if (this->pDispatcher)
+        {
+            AU_LOCK_GUARD(this->pDispatcher->mutex);
+            this->pDispatcher->pParent = nullptr;
+            this->pDispatcher = nullptr;
+        }
+    }
+
+    bool LSTimerIP::IsSignaledNonblocking()
+    {
+        AU_LOCK_GUARD(this->cs);
+
+        auto uCurrentTime    = AuTime::SteadyClockNS();
+        auto uNextTickTarget = AuAtomicLoad(&this->targetTime_);
+
+        if (uCurrentTime < uNextTickTarget)
+        {
+            return false;
+        }
+
+        auto uNextTick = uNextTickTarget + this->reschedStepNsOrZero_;
+
+        if (uCurrentTime > uNextTick)
+        {
+            this->targetTime_ = uCurrentTime;
+            uNextTick         = uCurrentTime + this->reschedStepNsOrZero_;
+        }
+
+        if (!this->maxIterationsOrZero_)
+        {
+            this->UpdateTimeSteadyNs(uNextTick);
+            return true;
+        }
+
+        if (AuAtomicAdd<AuUInt32>(&this->count_, 1) <= this->maxIterationsOrZero_)
+        {
+            this->UpdateTimeSteadyNs(uNextTick);
+            return true;
+        }
+        else
+        {
+            Stop();
+            return false;
+        }
+    }
+
+    bool LSTimerIP::OnTrigger(AuUInt handle)
+    {
+        AU_LOCK_GUARD(this->cs);
+
+        if (IsSignaledNoSpinIfUserland())
+        {
+            return true;
+        }
+        else
+        {
+            LSEvent::Reset();
+            return false;
+        }
+    }
+
+    bool LSTimerIP::TryTakeWaitNS(AuUInt64 uTimeoutAbs)
+    {
+        auto uNextTime = AuAtomicLoad(&this->targetTime_);
+
+        if (!uNextTime)
+        {
+            return false;
+        }
+
+        if (this->IsSignaledNonblocking())
+        {
+            return true;
+        }
+
+        auto uNow = AuTime::CurrentClockNS();
+        if (uNow >= uNextTime)
+        {
+            return this->IsSignaledNonblocking();
+        }
+
+        // Win32 note: there is quite a bit of hackery behind SleepNs
+        // Win 7 and lower may spin for a bit
+        // Various CPUs may enter a user-space montior condition
+        // Dumb CPUs will SMT yield
+        // Alderlake et al can tpause
+        if (uTimeoutAbs)
+        {
+            AuThreading::SleepNs(AuMin(uNextTime, uTimeoutAbs) - uNow);
+            return this->IsSignaledNonblocking();
+        }
+        else
+        {
+            AuThreading::SleepNs(uNextTime - uNow);
+            return this->IsSignaledNonblocking();
+        }
+    }
+
+    ELoopSource LSTimerIP::GetType()
+    {
+        return ELoopSource::eSourceTimer;
+    }
+
+    bool LSTimerIP::TryInit()
+    {
+        return LSEvent::TryInit(false, false, true);
+    }
+
+    bool LSTimerIP::IsSignaled()
+    {
+        return this->TryTakeSpin();
+    }
+
+    bool LSTimerIP::IsSignaledNoSpinIfUserland()
+    {
+        return this->IsSignaledNonblocking();
+    }
+
+    bool LSTimerIP::TryTakeNoSpin()
+    {
+        return this->IsSignaledNonblocking();
+    }
+
+    bool LSTimerIP::TryTakeSpin()
+    {
+        return Threading::Primitives::DoTryIf([&]
+        {
+            return this->TryTakeNoSpin();
+        });
+    }
+
+    bool LSTimerIP::TryTake()
+    {
+        return this->TryTakeSpin();
+    }
+
+    AuSPtr<ITimer> NewLSTimerIP(AuUInt64 qwAbsStartTimeMs, AuUInt32 dwReschedStepMsOrZero, AuUInt32 dwMaxIterationsOrZero, bool bSingleshot, bool bIsStartTimeSteady)
+    {
+        AuAsync::StartSched2();
+
+        auto pTimer = AuMakeShared<LSTimerIP>(dwReschedStepMsOrZero, dwMaxIterationsOrZero, bSingleshot);
+        if (!pTimer)
+        {
+            SysPushErrorMem();
+            return {};
+        }
+
+        if (!pTimer->TryInit())
+        {
+            SysPushErrorMem();
+            return {};
+        }
+
+        if (qwAbsStartTimeMs)
+        {
+            if (bIsStartTimeSteady)
+            {
+                pTimer->UpdateTimeSteady(qwAbsStartTimeMs);
+            }
+            else
+            {
+                pTimer->UpdateTimeWall(qwAbsStartTimeMs);
+            }
+        }
+
+        return pTimer;
+    }
+}
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diff --git a/Source/IO/Loop/LSTimerNoKernelScheduler.hpp b/Source/IO/Loop/LSTimerNoKernelScheduler.hpp
new file mode 100755
index 00000000..5a5f496c
--- /dev/null
+++ b/Source/IO/Loop/LSTimerNoKernelScheduler.hpp
@@ -0,0 +1,68 @@
+/***
+    Copyright (C) 2021-2024 Jamie Reece Wilson (a/k/a "Reece"). All rights reserved.
+
+    File: LSTimerNoKernelScheduler.hpp
+    Date: 2024-09-08
+    Author: Reece
+***/
+#pragma once
+
+#include "LSHandle.hpp"
+#include "LSEvent.hpp"
+
+namespace Aurora::IO::Loop
+{
+    struct LSTimerIP;
+
+    struct LSTimerIPDispatcher : AuAsync::IAsyncRunnable
+    {
+        AuMutex mutex;
+        LSTimerIP *pParent {};
+
+        void RunAsync() override;
+    };
+
+    struct LSTimerIP : LSEvent, ITimer
+    {
+        LSTimerIP(AuUInt32 reschedStepMsOrZero, AuUInt32 maxIterationsOrZero, bool bSingleshot);
+        ~LSTimerIP();
+
+        PROXY_LOOP_LOOPSOURCE_EXT_WAIT_APIS_;
+
+        virtual void UpdateTimeWall(AuUInt64 absTimeMs) override;
+        virtual void UpdateTimeWallNs(AuUInt64 absTimeNs) override;
+        virtual void UpdateTimeSteady(AuUInt64 absTimeMs) override;
+        virtual void UpdateTimeSteadyNs(AuUInt64 absTimeNs) override;
+        virtual void UpdateTickRateIfAny(AuUInt32 reschedStepMsOrZero, AuUInt32 maxIterationsOrZero) override;
+        virtual void UpdateTickRateIfAnyNs(AuUInt64 reschedStepNsOrZero, AuUInt32 maxIterationsOrZero) override;
+        virtual void Stop() override;
+
+        bool TryInit();
+
+        bool IsSignaled() override;
+        bool IsSignaledNoSpinIfUserland() override;
+        ELoopSource GetType() override;
+
+        virtual bool OnTrigger(AuUInt handle) override;
+
+        bool TryTakeNoSpin();
+        bool TryTakeSpin();
+        bool TryTake();
+        bool TryTakeWaitNS(AuUInt64 timeout);
+                
+        void UpdateTimeInternal(AuUInt64 absTimeMs);
+        void UpdateTimeInternalSteady(AuUInt64 absTimeMs);
+
+    private:
+        friend struct LSTimerIPDispatcher;
+        AuUInt32 maxIterationsOrZero_ {};
+        AuUInt64 reschedStepNsOrZero_ {}, targetTime_ {};
+        AuUInt32 count_ {};
+        bool bSingleshot {};
+
+        AuCriticalSection cs;
+        AuMutex dispatcherMutex;
+        AuSPtr<LSTimerIPDispatcher> pDispatcher;
+        bool IsSignaledNonblocking();
+    };
+}
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